![]() We know that Umbra was one of the best and loyal retainers for the orokin - then when he was diagnosed as terminal maybe they stored him maybe gave him a transference ability as well, before Ballas could enact his vengeance. We know of the ways by which the orokin can store personalities- and can then edit the memories to suit their needs - as cephalons. along with having his bloodline forever be unknowinlg enslaved to the orokin.īut what if they are actually the same person ? Umbra hated us cause of the rage he felt towards Ballas an that he was forced to kill his own son. Stalker hates the operators for them destroying the orokin So question why you dont compare stalker an shadow stalker to excal, excal prime an umbra excal While your comparing shadow stalker who has the hundhow armor parts on, which does not relate to the orokin era at all as stalker did not have that back in the old war. Many people already noted that stalker body looked alot like excals, ages before umbra was even talked about Which is why for a guardian of some sort it was possible to be a warframe. If we take this info into consideration and remember Hunhow's words: "You still hate them, you still hate yourself", we can without doubt say - he's talking about warframes, referring to the Stalker as one of them.įrom the Sacrifice we also know that although seemingly all warframes past a certain point were implanted a Transference bolt, not everyone of them was intended to be Tenno-controlled, Umbra specifically wasn't. They first and foremost were treated as autonomous battle units, and only after - as Transference recipients. Sure, this seemed doubtful when we only had the Second Dream as our lore source, and warframes appeared to be, well, lumps of infested beef in a form of a humanoid but now we have the Sacrifice (and also Mirage lore) with detailed info on warframes creation. Thing is, he didn't use Transference to get into a warframe, he is a warframe. Now all I have said is possibly just either be laziness or coincidence on the part of DE, but what I propose is still within the established lore and Stalkers vague codex entry.Īnd used the transference research to bind himself to a Warframe so that he could pursue and punish the tenno forever. ![]() ![]() I would love for this to happen, a nice little verses as father and son are forced to fight as they chose their sides. This would also add a nice little side story to the New War, as Stalker had chosen to fight for the Sentients in the Second Dream Quest and Umbra sided with us. Narratively this makes sense and gives context as to why they look alike and would ad a more personal reason as to why Stalker hates us, and a gain with the mirror show of having Stalker and Umbra choke us. He was allowed to keep his mind (The Sacrifice shows that he is capable of that with his torming of Umbra with the single memory) and trained as Ballas's bodyguard. Now the meat of my theory on Stalkers identity is this what if Umbra's son wasn't dead? What if Ballas only made it appear to Umbra that he killed his son, Isaiah, and instead he survived and Ballas turned him into the Stalker, his drive for revenge against the tenno was created from having being tricked by Ballas into thinking the tenno through transference was the cause of his father attacking him. Umbra is shown to be adept at killing Sentients with his Umbra mods, and Stalker is a pro at hunting warframes. They also have different weapons of choice, Umbra has the elegant Skiajati and Stalker now wields the massive great-sword War. Umbra is still traumatized after losing his son and has a burning uncontrolled rage, and Stalker has a almost obsessive desire to destroy the Tenno and Warframes. They appear to be the same yet they are clearly different. There is also a mirror moment between the 2 as they have both had the Operator by the neck. They also have much smaller details in their Excalibur designs that only they share. They are both slightly bulkier than the baseline Excalibur They both have a syndana (Umbras is built in) the tails along behind them They both have that crotch flap cloth thing When viewed side by side you can easily see the similarities, and not just that they are both Excalibur models by that they have other similar features:
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